Tocqueville Asset Management portfolio manager explains why he's bullish on gold prices and Gold Mining stocks...
ONCE INVESTORS realize higher Gold Prices are here to stick, they will take a chance on the big upside waiting in the junior and senior Gold Mining space, predicts Tocqueville Asset Management's John Hathaway in the interview with The Gold Report.
The Gold Report: In your recent article "A Golden Mulligan," you called Gold Mining equities "a rational way to participate in what appears to be the end game for paper currencies on an attractive risk-adjusted basis." After trailing the metals prices substantially since 2010, why do you think they are ready for a turnaround?
John Hathaway: Gold Mining stocks have underperformed for a number of reasons. Gold ETFs created competition for gold stocks even as it made owning physical metal more attractive. Also, as gold flirted with $1,900 an ounce (oz), investors may not have priced that into the stocks as they weren't convinced it would stick.
Now that we have had a correction, investor analysis will show that the average price over time, as opposed to variable spot prices, is steadily rising—proof that industry profitability should also be on the rise. The best is yet to come for Gold Mining earnings as confidence in government monetary policy continues to erode.
TGR: We have seen a lot of volatility lately. What price do you predict for gold going into 2012?
John Hathaway: From years of experience, I have learned never to combine a price prediction with a specific point in time. The Gold Price will continue to rise until the fiscal and monetary policies of Western democracies undergo severe alteration in the direction of sanity.
TGR: What role do operating costs play in equity price challenges?
John Hathaway: Some companies have cited increased operating costs as a limiting factor in stock price growth, but the facts don't support that argument. Energy prices, one of the most variable costs in gold production, are almost half of what they were four years ago. The same is largely true in everything from steel and chemicals to labor.
Margins have steadily increased since 2008 and, unless declines in head grades or increased resource nationalism take their toll on future mine profitability, that margin expansion trend should continue. One of the biggest factors weighing on mining stock prices is probably investor risk tolerance. It goes without saying that mining stocks are riskier than physical metals and a lot of investors are looking for a safe haven right now.
TGR: What will be the catalyst that gets investors looking at mining stocks again?
John Hathaway: I think the release of third-quarter earnings will amaze people. I am very bullish on the future of the price of gold and gold equities. Equities represent extraordinary opportunities because they offer organic growth in resource production and bumps from merger activities that aren't possible holding inert metal.
Ratio of Gold Stocks to Metal Price Near All-Time Low
XAU & HUI as ratios of spot gold ($/oz)
TGR: How will companies that are not making profits at $1,900/oz be profitable going forward?
John Hathaway: If a company can't make money at $1,300/oz gold, it shouldn't be public. Companies have to find a way to make a profit.
TGR: You mentioned seniors as a bright spot in the investing scene. Please explain the rationale for your portfolio diversification between bullion, small-, mid- and large-cap companies.
John Hathaway: I have about 7% invested in bullion because it is an anchor of value. Physical gold helps protect against currency depreciation. I have about 10–20% in small-cap companies, 20–30% in mid-caps and 30–40% in large caps. The percentages can vary as the valuations change even though we don't trade very often. Turnover is usually less than 10% in a year.
Big caps benefit most from high Gold Prices because they are actually producing and selling the metal today. It therefore offers compelling valuations, attractive current returns and virtually a free ride on future gains. We own 11 companies accounting for about 40% of global gold production.
TGR: Are higher dividend payouts going to be the rule going forward?
John Hathaway: I hope so.
TGR: For those who choose to invest in physical gold, where is the best place to keep it? In the US, out of the US?
John Hathaway: Any good vaulting service will work. Where it is physically located doesn't matter as long as it is secure, accessible and not in a bank.
TGR: Thank you for sharing your insights.
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